Re: [anti-spam-wg] Fwd: Re: Re: NCC#2007083003 Fwd: DELIVERY FAILURE:
To: der Mouse mouse@localhost
From: Leo Vegoda <leo.vegoda@localhost
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 19:41:12 +0100
Cc: apwg-chairs@localhost, address-policy-wg@localhost, anti-spam-wg@localhost
On 24 Aug 2007, at 19:55, der Mouse wrote:
I Matthew Brown, would like to request that there be some sort of
action, to allow the ripe database managers to contact ISP(s) when
someone reports incorrect or outdated information.
Good luck - and I mean that; I hope you succeed, though at this
don't really expect it. I've gone a few rounds with RIPE myself on
that issue; they appear to want the authority of "owning" (and being
paid for the subdelegation of) address space without the concomitant
When you last commented on this subject in April, I suggested that
you propose a policy to tackle the issue. Perhaps you are still
developing your proposal. In any case, I look forward to reading it.
Not surprising, of course; lots of people would rather
pocket the money and duck the responsibility. The real problem is
ICANN/IANA lets them get away with it, and I see that (that the top of
the governance pyramid does not impose responsibility on those to whom
it delegates authority - and I don't mean just RIRs; the same problem
recurs with domains) as the fundamental problem that is killing
net with abusers and abuses.
Sadly, you have misunderstood the policy development process. IANA
does not set policy and nor does the RIPE NCC. Policy proposals come
from anyone interested in developing policy, are discussed by others
interested in developing policy and only become policy when there is
a consensus that they are a good idea. IANA only implements global
policies and only when all five RIR communities have reached
consensus on a proposal and sent it to the ICANN board via the ASO.
IANA and ICANN are the end and not the start of the process and the
responsibility sits with us all and not with an elite group at the
RIPE NCC or IANA.
I'm sorry to disappoint you but if you want a policy you will have to
develop and propose it before it can be agreed and implemented.
Matthew Brown's mail was an excellent starting point for a discussion
on what should be in a database policy. There is real value in
following up on his request and developing a formal proposal that can
To that end, I'd be grateful if the chairs of the appropriate WGs
could coordinate and arrange agenda time for a discussion based on
Matthew's request at RIPE 55.