Re: [anti-spam-wg] Any suggestions about how to deal with non co-operative ISP's and RIR's ?


On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:23 PM, der Mouse wrote:


Revoking an assignment at the IANA-to-RIR level would be an extreme
step; I'd expect it to be taken only when other measures have failed.
But it seems to me that they *have* failed; there is rampant
irresponsibility - or at least behaviour that looks like that to me -
at the RIR level. At least two RIRs don't - or historically haven't; I
haven't checked recently - enforce contactability of address block
holders, making it easy for abusers to get space and duck any
responsibility for its use.  RIPE, at least, flatly refuses - or at
least has refused - to take any action against address block assignees
who don't police their assignments; I haven't had occasion to push it
as high as the RIR with other RIRs, so I don't know how they are in
this regard. (The abuse I see most often is spamming and spam support,
but I feel quite sure that's an artifact of my perspective more than
anything else.)

Until there are policies defining these terms and the mechanisms you want for revoking allocations there is no basis for action. If you want IANA to be able to revoke allocations made to RIRs then you will need to develop a global policy that has the support of the communities in all five RIR regions.

To start you just need to complete the policy proposal template. The RIPE template can be found here:


Leo Vegoda
IANA Numbers Liaison