Re: Commecial vs fairness (was: spam support)
- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:33:07 +0000
variable@localhost said:
>> That's not the point. If the terms are reasonable *for RIPE's monopoly
>> purpose*, then you can enforce them.
> Do you think asking AS's to apply border filters,
That one is perhaps arguable.
> respond to abuse/spam
> complaints
I don't think you could define "abuse/spam complaints" well enough. Or
"respond", for that matter. There are a huge number of issues that you need
to think through. And, most crucially, failure to "respond" to a
"complaint" doesn't alter the ability to operate TCP/IP.
> and to take down child pornography within x hours of them being
> notified is unreasonable?
Yes. Starting with the definition of "child" and working up/down from
there.
There's also a slippery slope you *really* don't want to get on.
> As stated before, the additional terms would have to be ones that were
> agreed on by a significant percentage of the RIPE membership. I can't see
> many RIPE members signing up to a clause like that.
Irrelevant. If it were a policy that 51% agreed on, does that make it right
to impose it on the other 49% ? 99%/1% ?
> BTW, you don't need to use Cisco routers to apply border filters.
I know, and I didn't say that.
>> Rules beyond those necessary to ensure IP addresses are allocated
>> efficiently are outside their monopoly position. As such, there's a
>> presumption in (at least) English law that it's illegal.
> RIPE have a charter which cover a lot more than just allocating IP
> addresses. Why would updating their charter to respond to the changes in
> internet be illegal?
Because they *do* have a monopoly in IP etc allocation. So they can update
their charter all they want, but if they use that update to abuse the
monopoly, that's illegal.
>> It doesn't matter if you get 95% support, it's still a monopoly.
> Welcome to the wonderful world of democracy Clive.
Try rereading what I said. Democracy passed those rules, because it
recognised that majority rule is not always true democracy.
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