[anti-abuse-wg] Abuse Contact Finder is not checking admin-c from org object?

Hi Piotr,

The Abuse-Contact-Finder in RIPEstat considers aut-num objects as well. 
The article you referenced describes an out-dated version of the 
Abuse-Contact-Finder which is not part of RIPEstat.

That RIPEstat considers aut-num objects could have been seen as a 
benefit especially in the pre abuse-c era. But we understood that this 
fishing for abuse contacts in the RIPE DB does not always deliver 
high-quality results. This was, by the way, the reason we came up with 
the star rating.
I hope that as soon as we have the abuse-c rolled out completely this 
will not matter anymore.

Kind regards,
Christian


On 13/02/14 13:37, Piotr Strzyzewski wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 01:46:20PM +0400, Levon Avagyan wrote:
>
> Dear Levon
>
>> I need some help with proper setup of RIPE DB.
>> I am currently updating our records and noticed that if i am adding ROLE abuse-c: "UCAB101-RIPE" with abuse-mailbox: "abuse at ucom.am" attribute to our org :"ORG-UL31-RIPE" object, it is not showing up in "Abuse Contact Finder" tool in Ripe Stat.
>> It shows me message: "No contact information found for 44395"
>> While if i am adding abuse-mailbox: attribute to org: object directly, it finds abuse contact just fine, however gives us 4/5 stars.
>>
>> Is it a known bug or am i doing something wrong?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> P.S.
>> Query: "whois as44395" returns abuse contact just fine.
>
> Short answer: Don't use it. ;)
>
> I assume that the tool you are using is this one:
> https://stat.ripe.net/special/abuse
>
> The correct one is this one:
> http://apps.db.ripe.net/search/abuse-finder.html
>
> However, the first one (from Ripe Stat) is still widely used due the
> fact that abuse-c is not fully deployed yet. Among others, the notable
> Abusix.org claims to use it.
>
> If I understand
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/Paul_P_/content-abuse-finder correctly,
> this tool doesn't look at aut-num at all. Please corect me if I'm wrong.
>
> Moreover, this tool is full of false positives, no matter of how many
> stars it will show at the end. For example - it was just two weeks ago
> when I have deliberately created the situation that for not mine and not
> maintained by me inetnum I have forced this tool to claim with 4/5 stars
> that abuse at example.net is the contact information. Right now this is
> impossible, since I have notified about this the RIPE NCC and this tool
> is filtering the RFC-2606 dummy addresses out. Unfortunately, this was
> just one of examples.
>
> Best regards,
> Piotr
>
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