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Suresh Ramasubramanian
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Wed Jun 26 16:04:04 CEST 2013
Ok. So, i dont work for spamhaus and only use them to filter mail at work. Obviously, I dont speak for my employer either, just for myself. The three cases in this thread arent related except that there are two problems : criminals as customers, and a disinclination to, possibly based on their interpretation of their country's laws, get these customers removed. A more recent case, the virut botnet, is interesting as other cctlds operating in the EU (poland) did suspend several, as did russia. Last I checked there were some still left .. in .at. www.spamhaus.org/news/article/690/ On Jun 26, 2013 7:13 PM, "Simon Forster" <simon-lists at ldml.com> wrote: > > As I'm about to shout "disclosure" at someone, I better mention that I'm > affiliated with Spamhaus. I have no input / control / influence whatsoever > on the listings side of things but I do work for a Spamhaus entity. > > On 26 Jun 2013, at 13:44, Wilfried Woeber <Woeber at CC.UniVie.ac.at> wrote: > > > Erik Bais wrote: > > [...] > >> For those that want to read up on what actually happened on that > specific > >> incident in Latvia (July/August 2010), have a read on the following open > >> letter from CERT.lv > >> > >> https://cert.lv/uploads/uploads/OpenLetter.pdf > > This snippet brought to us by Erik Bais. > > Is this the same Erik Bais who filed a complaint with the Dutch police > against Spamhaus in October 2011 < > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/13/dutch_isp_accuses_spamhaus/>? > > The MD of A2B who was providing connectivity to "German ISP Cyberbunker, > aka CB3ROB"? > > With CyberBunker being heavily implicated in the recent DDoS attack > against Spamhaus. Heavily in as much as "Sven Olaf Kamphuis, a vocal > spokesman for CyberBunker, was arrested at the request of Dutch authorities > near Barcelona by Spanish Police after collaboration through Eurojust" < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CyberBunker>. > > Sir, I question your motives for bringing this up. > > > And this actually wasn't the only or the first "incident" with Spamhaus. > > They also tried similer *piep*^Wbullying against NIC.at before. > > > > Which actually has discredited Spamhaus in my personal opinion for sure, > > for knowingly disregarding local law, but that's slightly OT here - but > > maybe not... > > Spamhaus is an organisation which publishes reputation datasets for users > to do with as they wish. Many users wish to block inbound email based on > Spamhaus' datasets. That's Spamhaus' users' prerogative. No pressure is > exerted to use the lists. > > There are no fees charged for the removal of an entity from a Spamhaus > blocklist – the problem which initiated the listing simply needs to have > been resolved. > > The Spamhaus datasets consist of reputation lists – which is to say an > entity's (Spamhaus') opinion as to the reputation of certain properties > (IPs and domains). Third party, independent reports are used in any number > of different industries to help organisations arrive at best possible > decisions. In what way is this significantly different? > > Extortion or bullying is not being applied. Laws are not being broken – > whatever spin people may try to put on this. > > Spamhaus' reputation lists have been published for over a decade now. Over > that time some traction has built up to the point that slightly shy of two > billion email accounts are protected (directly, indirectly or via > derivative products) by the Spamhaus datasets. Such longevity and market > acceptance has not been forced on anyone. Spamhaus simply does a damn good > job and has done so for many years. > > Simon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/anti-abuse-wg/attachments/20130626/aaa6f157/attachment.html>
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