[anti-abuse-wg] Status of 2011-06

On 13 Jan 2012, at 18:03, russ at consumer.net wrote:

> >Without expressing on my behalf any opinion on what you're saying above,
> >if you are going to make accusations regarding NCC behaviour on the mailing
> 
> Why don't you just them to respond to the list and address the issues?  

Read the list archives. RIPE NCC staff will reply to the list when they feel that they need to


> They just point me
> to the AUP and won't address that the requests are not coming from me.  They say to use -r
> in my requests

So they're telling you what to do, but since you don't like it you come onto this list to whinge and whine?


> but won't address the the fact the requests would not give abuse contacts or
> that requests would then have be different to RIPE than the other RIR's.  

Each RIR has its own database. If you can't handle the different formats then that's your problem, not RIPE's



> They won't address
> the issue that the abuse contacts involve all regions and not just RIPE.  

That doesn't even make any sense


> They won't name the
> legal advisor or point to any written opinion.  There is no way to tell anything that happened
> or why they did it.  Here is the information that is available to the "community"
> 
> http://meetings.ripe.net/ripe-57/presentations/De_Ruig-Update_from_Data_Protection_Task_Force.nctn.pdf
> 
> http://www.ripe.net/ripe/groups/tf/dp/report-of-the-ripe-data-protection-task-force
> 
> If they had a legitimate process a report would contain references, discussions of the issues being raised,
> the identity of the legal adviser, etc.

If you're not happy with the processes then why don't you address this directly during a RIPE meeting? That's where most other people do it when they're not happy.

>  The presentation is so full of acronyms that most people would have no
> idea what is discussed.  

RIPE is by its nature a technical organization. Like any technical organization it will have its own jargon and acronyms. Most people aren't that interested in what RIPE does and those that are take the time to learn what the acronyms mean.

> The report is so vague that you really can't determine, for the most part, what was done
> or why.  Common sense issues like whether the contacts agreed to have their information posted in a public
> database is not even mentioned.
> 
> These decisions affect millions of people around the word and not just a few insiders on this list or in these groups
> that have all these meetings that most people cannot attend

Huh?

RIPE meetings are public. Anyone can attend. 

If you want to make attacks on RIPE at least make an effort to get basic facts right.


> (even if they did attend they would be driven
> out by the insiders in short order).  You show me where the general Internet community can make heads or tails
> of any of this.

You'd need to define "the general internet community" before anyone could even try to address that query.


Regards

Michele

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