[anti-abuse-wg] Hijacked netblocks - any SOP for these?
Frank Gadegast ripe-anti-spam-wg at powerweb.de
Tue Aug 9 16:10:26 CEST 2011
Kostas Zorbadelos wrote: > On 08/09/2011 04:37 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: >> Which is what is sought to be addressed. Granted the due diligence >> exists, but the fact remains that there are botmasters and spammers >> who manage to game this process. >> >> While the LIR revocation process exists, a more "user friendly" / >> transparent complaint handling mechanism and periodic audits might >> make things interesting >> > > Do you Suresh, or anyone else, know what, if any, are the policies in > other RIRs in respect to the problem of faked evidence to get IP number > resources? > Do other RIRs have audit rules or policies that work well? > And in any case what seems to be the problem (if any) in the RIPE region > specifically? I remember Richard Cox of Spamhaus keep repeating problems > in the RIPE region but no policies or proposals ever came. Well, there are none or they are not communicated or not looked after from RIPE NCC. And its no wonder, if anybody in the world (community) can influence progress in the development of RFCs and rules for the NCC (e.g. via this list). This way they can even influence how NCC spends its money. There are simply too many opinions on this list and too many mails and discussions that have nothing to do with this list (what does not mean that a dicision process CAN listen to to comments from the world community). And thats no wonder, if the range goes from uneducated end users, smalls ISP, big organisations, spam friendly providers or even people that attacks from group like "Anonymous" are ok (well, they might in some weird and small foreign countries, but they are crime in (what I think) every country in the RIPE region). So: I would like an additional abuse mailling-list only for RIPE members to get things going. And I also like to dedicate more money to RIPE NCC staff to stop abuse. Kind regards, Frank > I am far from expert, but it would be a good thing if someone could > summarize what seem to be problem areas in the RIPE region and what > other RIRs are doing. > > Kostas > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet >> <Woeber at cc.univie.ac.at> wrote: >>> >>> But if you succeed in forging that type of documents, or if you >>> succeed to >>> get some "official entity" to help in doing that, the NCC is at the >>> loosing >>> end of the stick :-( >> >> >> > > > -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen, -- PHADE Software - PowerWeb http://www.powerweb.de Inh. Dipl.-Inform. Frank Gadegast mailto:frank at powerweb.de Schinkelstrasse 17 fon: +49 33200 52920 14558 Nuthetal OT Rehbruecke, Germany fax: +49 33200 52921 ====================================================================== Public PGP Key available for frank at powerweb.de