[anti-abuse-wg] DRAFT: RIPE proposal - implementation of an abuse monitor system
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Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
michele at blacknight.ie
Fri Apr 9 17:18:09 CEST 2010
On 9 Apr 2010, at 15:38, Frank Gadegast , Dipl-Inform. Frank Gadegast wrote: > > But there are that many ... There are only a handful that really matter and anyone who actually cares is probably monitoring them Combine that with the "feedback" loops from AOL / MSN etc., and you've covered pretty much anything of any real importance > > > If the community willing to accept, that RIPE members cause > harm to other members without any consequences simply because they > are lazy, uneducated, ignorant or without resources to prevent problem > or maybe even because they provit or intended the problem ? That isn't a question that can be answered with a simple yes / no It's a grey area For example, if you were to report an issue to us which involved our main mail cluster it would probably be dealt with within a few minutes to a couple of hours (depending on what it was) However, if you were reporting an issue involving an IP or range of IPs that are used by a client of ours with dedicated / colo or even IP transit then it may take a lot longer for the issue to be fully resolved. Does that mean that we are not acting responsibly in your view? Or do you understand that we cannot simply unplug a chunk of our network that quickly? Is the delay causing "harm" ? Probably. Is that "harm" a huge problem? That depends on what the "harm" is. Network abuse comes in many shapes and forms. Email abuse could be a simple commercial email that you did not want to get OR it could be a much more serious problem such as a phishing email > > Does "free internet" means that we have to live with that ? What do you mean by "free"? free as in freedom? or Free as in cost? Mr Michele Neylon Blacknight Solutions Hosting & Colocation, Brand Protection ICANN Accredited Registrar http://www.blacknight.com/ http://blog.blacknight.com/ http://mneylon.tel Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072 US: 213-233-1612 UK: 0844 484 9361 Locall: 1850 929 929 Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090 Twitter: http://twitter.com/mneylon ------------------------------- Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845
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