[address-policy-wg] Seen this?: (Was: IP Broker for -1.-1.-1.-1)
John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Fri Oct 19 13:34:33 CEST 2012
On Oct 18, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Sander Steffann <sander at steffann.nl> wrote: > ... >> True, that was just my thinking about being a good "netizen", but it's not covered in the policy. >> >> Anyway I still think the leases are not in the line with the current policy. > > Using the label 'lease' might be a but confusing, but if they use the transfer policy with a temporary transfer it does fit. It would be helpful to have consistent naming for these things though. Just FYI - In the ARIN region, this issue is presently undefined, i.e. the current policy manual does not take a position either way with regards to subassignments of IP addresses to another party on a temporary basis and/or independent of network services. New address space is issued based on stated plans that it be used for network service customers (if an ISP) or one's own network (if an end-user), but that only applies to issuance of new resources in good faith - there has not been any policy development which establishing clear requirements in this area for existing address holders. See attached email for specifics; I have no view in the discussion of this topic in the RIPE region but provide this only as a data point that may be of interest. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN Begin forwarded message: > From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Leasing (was: Re: IPv4 Update) > Date: August 22, 2012 9:18:33 PM EDT > To: Enrique Garcia <Enrique.Garcia at sidera.net> > Cc: "arin-ppml at arin.net" <arin-ppml at arin.net> > > On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Enrique Garcia <Enrique.Garcia at sidera.net> wrote: > >> I received an e-mail this morning from a company claiming that IP Space can now be leased. >> >> Was just wondering if this was legal. > > Enrique - > > If by "legal", you mean "in compliance with the community number resource > management policy in this region", then perhaps I can provide some insight. > > Internet service providers routinely provide IP address assignments as part > of their Internet services bundle, and those assignments are not permanent > in nature but only for the duration of the service agreement. Many would > consider such assignments to be "leased IP address space". > > Organizations receiving IP address space (as the recipient of a transfer or > via allocations of IP address space from the free pool) as an ISP must meet > the LIR definition (per NRPM 2.4) and that means "primarily assigning address > space to the users of the network services that it provides." End-users > receiving transfers or assignments of IP address space from the free pool > must meet the End-user definition (per NRPM 2.6) during their request which > requires they be receiving space to be used "exclusively for use in its > operational networks." > > Ergo, the "leasing" of recently received space could reasonably raise > concern about whether the request to ARIN for that space was made with > full sincerity, and organizations would be advised not to request to receive > IP address from the free pool or as the recipient of a transfer if their intent > is to "lease" the space rather then use it for their network service customers > (if an ISP) or use it for their own network (if they applied as an end-user.) > > There has been no policy development specifically regarding leasing as an > appropriate/inappropriate use of held IP address space, so ARIN does not > have a position either way (aside from the case above of insuring that > requests to receive additional address space are made in good faith based > on existing definitions of usage.) Obviously, individual Internet service > providers may have their own views on handling of "leased" address space, > depending on any number of factors including registrant and block size. > > I hope this helps somewhat in understanding the situation, recognizing > that it is not likely to be as complete an answer as you would have liked. > > Thanks! > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > ARIN > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.