[address-policy-wg] The final /8 policy proposals, part 2
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Jeffrey A. Williams
jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com
Wed Jul 8 23:31:17 CEST 2009
Gert and all, Nice bit of deflection/pigionholing I must say. But yes the subject line is with finding a consensus policy, however that consensus if such exists, is measured, for determining what is now questionably perceived to be the last /8. So far I prefer Leo's earlier suggestions as such at least provides for the possibility of some future recovery of unused IPv4 addresses in a round about way. Gert Doering wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Jul 08, 2009 at 10:46:36PM +0900, Masataka Ohta wrote: > > Gert Doering wrote: > > > > > Please stick to the topic of *this* discussion. Even with reclamation > > > efforts, eventually we will reach the last /8, > > > > Why? > > > > Assuming reduction of address space consumption by mandating NAT, > > I can't understand how the last /8 could be reached before IPv4 > > will be replaced by something not likely to be IPv6. > > > > Could you elaborate? > > There is no mandate to use NAT in the RIPE region (and I think that this > is a good thing, as NAT might be useful, but overall it takes away freedom > from the Internet users, and this shouldn't be forced on anybody). > > If the RIPE community wants to force NAT on people, well, they can of > course change the policy. But in the policy as it is now, there is > nothing that can force NAT on anybody. Given this, and given the > growth of Internet in less-developed regions, yes, it is very likely > that we'll reach the last /8. And soon. > > > > and *this* discussion is > > > only covering the rules for the last /8. > > > > I don't think it off topic to discuss whether there will be the > > last /8 or not. > > By decree of the WG chair it is off-topic *in this discussion thread*. > > It is not off-topic on the list per se, but to keep some semblance of > structure, *this* thread needs to focus on a very specific question. > > > It is a fair counter argument against a policy proposal on the > > last /8 to say there won't be the last /8. > > Yes. But this specific discussion thread is about a very specific aspect > of the proposal. Since we have different last-/8-Proposals on the table, > we're trying to merge them into a common proposal, which you can then be > opposed to. > > But please do this in a new discussion thread with a new Subject: line. > > Gert Doering > -- APWG chair > -- > Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations: 128645 > > SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard > Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann > D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) > Tel: +49 (89) 32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature Regards, Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 284k members/stakeholders strong!) "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" - Abraham Lincoln "YES WE CAN!" Barack ( Berry ) Obama "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by P: i.e., whether B is less than PL." United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947] =============================================================== Updated 1/26/04 CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC. ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1 at ix.netcom.com My Phone: 214-244-4827
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