RIPE 36

RIPE Meeting: 36
Working Group: European Internet Exchange Working Group (EIX)
Status: Final
Revision Number: 1

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1. Scribe: Henk Uijterwaal
2. Agenda: no changes to the proposed agenda
3. EIX OPS lists
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at an EIX meeting.
4. IX Report
* SFINX1/Frank Simon.
* SFINX1: Public exchange point, not for profit. Service: managed service
(Renater configures) or hosted service (DIY). 52 ISP's, 46 on hosted
service.
* SFINX2: 3 km from SFINX1 with Giga-ethernet between the two sites,
connection operational since yesterday evening. Bigger switches than at S1.
Only hosted service at S2.
New services at S2: giga-ethernet, route server, NTP, advanced statistics,
(sparse mode) multicast (perhaps as an additionally billed service),
specific peering via VLAN. IPv6 is foreseen at a later stage. It is
expected that bigger ISP's will move from S1 to S2.
* Questions from the floor:
* Policy on private interconnects? Answer: will not be allowed.
* Any additional services? Answer: can be discussed.
* Policy for joining? Answer: anybody can join, it is not Renater's task to
judge if an ISP should join or not. The owner of the building has agreed
that they will not host a second IX in the same building
* No Multicast or IPv6, do you prevent people from doing this? Answer: No,
but you have to set this up yourself.
* Any more locations in the future? Answer: yes, we are thinking about
SFINX3, foreseen for September
* Power in the racks? Answer: 220v or 48v in the rack, UPS is available as
a service.
* LINX/Nic Lewis
* Background: UK National IX, neutral organization, aim to keep UK traffic
in the UK (or EU traffic in the EU). Not a co-lo provider.
* Membership now 105 members (95 at RIPE36), 49 from UK,
* Gigabit ethernet: Slow take-up, got better. Now 16 members with 26 ports.
Adding 3Š4 more each month
* Switches:
* Packet-Engine PowerRail. No new Power-Rail machines foreseen as Alcatel
does not do any more development on them.
* Extreme "Black diamond" first one to be installed in the next
* Foundry BigIron 8000, under test. High port density, only the realistic
alternative with fully non-blocking architecture. Very responsive to
support questions.
* Stats: www2.linx.net/stats. Current peak is 2.3 Gb/s. 1.5 on average
* New sites: funded by co-lo providers, open "bidding" process resulted
into 4 interested sites. Interconnected with a dark-fiber ring. Will put an
Extreme and Foundry switch at each site. Site3: Redbus interhouse (now),
Site 4: Telehouse (east), June. Sites 5-7 IX, Interxion, Guardian in
June/July. (Slightly delayed for all kinds of reasons). Writing a document
about expanding to new sites, and publish FYI for other IX's
* Additional stuff: pilot multicast exchange. New stats with RRDtool. 3
Cesium NTP clocks as stratum 1 servers.
* AMS-IX/Niels den Otter
* 2 sites, Foundry switches, 2 Gb/s between them. Connections at 10M, 100M, 1G
* Traffic volume: now 1.6 Gb peak.
* 99 ISP's connected, most Dutch ISP's, more and more international ones,
18 new members since RIPE36
* Expansion sites: request from ISP's, will put out request for proposals
in 1..2 months
* VIX/Christian Panigl
* Grown from 10 members in 1997 to 58 members. Peaks 200Š300 Mb/s
* No route server. Considering to do public statistics.
* Office hour access only, outside hours on best-effort basis only
* No Y2K problems.
* Requirements for ISP joining the VIX: should be LIR, should have ASN,
should have international connectivity independent of existing members
(soft requirement), have prefixes registered in RIPE-DB
* Private interconnects are allowed
* Will stop with newsfeed service, unless the members will organize
something themselves
* Hamburg IX. V.Jurgens
Most traffic in Germany so-far goes Hamburg -> Frankfurt IX -> Hamburg.
PoP's in 2 buildings. 95% of the sites in a 2 km radius. Operation started
in March. URL: www.inx-hamburg.de Has a lot of space available and welcomes
new members. Offered as a service from a company (POP), may set up an
operation company at a later stage.
5. Input for the RIPE NCC Activity Plan 2001
The chair asked for topics that could be put on the RIPE-NCC activity plan
for 2001 and then be pursued by the NCC. Comments from the floor:
* Requests for presentations from IX. Consensus: this is not a NCC
activity, but deserves action.
* Suggestion: IX-object in data-base. Special address ranges for IX's
* Suggestion: how to raise the profile of this group
* Suggestion: BCP for IX's, volunteers Nic Lewis, Š
* Suggestion: Tools. Need requirements. Problem pointed out by Bill
Manning: some sites filter on tools, how to announce this. Keith: 24/7 is
essential. Common infrastructure: set up IX as LIR with the exchange a
subset of /19. Bill: this should be in the BCP. Need tools coordinator.
Henk: even if there is no coordinator, then suggestions on how use TTM
tools at IX's are still welcome.
6. Peering Decision Tree/Bill Norton
Bill presented a paper on the Peering decision tree. This paper is
available on request by mailing him. It has also been presented at NANOG
and LINX. Steps in setting up a peering:
* Phase I: Who do you peer with? Transit is expensive. Monitor where
traffic goes, set up point-to-point connection to site where most traffic
goes. Often no real measurements but best guess.
* Phase II: contact and qualification. WMN set up a spreadsheet with who
wants to peer with somebody else and is happy to add European ISP's.
* Phase III: Implementation
Comments and questions from the floor
* Question: request to put a peering object in the data-base. Discussion
about email addresses: suggest to make a role account (peering _at_ x _dot_ net) for
peering. Others suggest to contact people instead of a role account. No
consensus.
* Cost comparison. Direct exchanges better if you have more than 5 peers,
direct lines if <5.
* Which exchange to use: main criteria are: access, deployment, current
presence, operations, business issues, cost, credibility, exchange
population, exiting IX,
* Value of Internet exchange starts at 0, increases as more ISP have
presence until one hits a situation where cost savings are larger than the
cost of equipment. This goes very fast, until there is no more capacity in
the IX.
* Comment: where you go, depends on how you want to profile yourself.
Also, where are the big boys in an area, do you want to be close to them.
* Comment: IX should be able to handle the traffic from a peer, now and in
the foreseeable future.
7. Mike Hughes/IXP wishlist update. Started as an idea following visits to
vendors, topics that are now in the draft
* Document on IXP environment: security, scalability, multicast
* Document general type of IXP setup
* Security and management: dynamic MAC address limiting, wire speed ACL
* Scalability and Resilience: push vendors to develop something
* Multicast
Plans to have a draft document by RIPE37. Input welcome